CO129-227 - Acting Governor Marsh - 1886 [6] — Page 45

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Jaque:

We must in this tho ap ensput eus augt 7.

In 1873 the then for stong kang finding that the public objected to their complaint against the police being dealt with by the Cafe" Superintendant tred of the magistrates - ispred being standing ander that when complaints were made agaand the Police (Except there of a my trifting a complainant should to recommended rature) washind

2 the 4 affly to the Magistrate for a summens a

The present O.A.G. on the advice of the Attorney Fiscal has recommended that order and substituted.

are the investigate the charg an ander that all much complaints 4th Capt. Superintendent and that be proved and he thinks ther portice of the case will be met by the infliction of any of the pumistonents (by fine up to $425 or emporionment not exceeding 7 days with hard labour) which he is to deal with the case after investigation he thinks the case is mé in what he ought not to interpore he is to explain the matter to the parties and allows them to do what they think best.

Mr Deane the Capt. Superintendent objects to their Order on the ground that he has no power under the order to inflict punishments Except for "breach" of discipline or neglect of duty, whereas the order seems to imply that he is to adjudicate upon and punish for offences of all kinds - and This construction is borne out by the Attorney General's Minute in which he expresses his opinion that the Capt. Superintendent may punish police officers for minor offences.

Both recur to Kat mele cases, punished under Section 15 of Ordinance No. 7 of 1862 though dir ca dis mipal shrequent happages he only mentions the mode of punishment for & Merian offences.

I think that Mr Deane is right in his contention that he has no power to inflict fine or imprisonment under the Ordinance for crimes which cannot be characterized as a breach of discipline or neglect of duty.

The new Standing Order is open to objection. On the other hand, it seems to have been understood that the Capt. Supt is precluding from inquiring into complaints where it is a matter cognizable by the Courts, that if the complainant does not care to prosecute, the accused police officer is not to be departmentally inquired into.

Now the new Order requires directing not only prosecution but also departmental inquiry. If this is so, the Capt. Supt is to inquire into all complaints - and if the charge is a breach of discipline or neglect of duty, he is to deal with it in accordance with the Police Ordinance.

If it is a criminal offence prima facie unconnected with police duty and a case is made out, he should recommend the complainant to prosecute and if the complainant fails to do so, he should himself take out a summons against the accused and try the case.

I do not think Mr. Deane is to be blamed for bringing the question before the Board of State. I do not understand that he has refused to obey the ...

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Jaque: We must in this tho ap ensput eus augt 7. In 1873 the then for stong kang finding that the public objected to their complaint against the police being dealt with by the Cafe" Superintendant tred of the magistrates - ispred being standing ander that when complaints were made agaand the Police (Except there of a my trifting a complainant should to recommended rature) washind 2 the 4 affly to the Magistrate for a summens a The present O.A.G. on the advice of the Attorney Fiscal has recommended that order and substituted. are the investigate the charg an ander that all much complaints 4th Capt. Superintendent and that be proved and he thinks ther portice of the case will be met by the infliction of any of the pumistonents (by fine up to $425 or emporionment not exceeding 7 days with hard labour) which he is to deal with the case after investigation he thinks the case is in what he ought not to interpore he is to explain the matter to the parties and allows them to do what they think best. Mr Deane the Capt. Superintendent objects to their Order on the ground that he has no power under the order to inflict punishments Except for "breach" of discipline or neglect of duty, whereas the order seems to imply that he is to adjudicate upon and punish for offences of all kinds - and This construction is borne out by the Attorney General's Minute in which he expresses his opinion that the Capt. Superintendent may punish police officers for minor offences. Both recur to Kat mele cases, punished under Section 15 of Ordinance No. 7 of 1862 though dir ca dis mipal shrequent happages he only mentions the mode of punishment for & Merian offences. I think that Mr Deane is right in his contention that he has no power to inflict fine or imprisonment under the Ordinance for crimes which cannot be characterized as a breach of discipline or neglect of duty. The new Standing Order is open to objection. On the other hand, it seems to have been understood that the Capt. Supt is precluding from inquiring into complaints where it is a matter cognizable by the Courts, that if the complainant does not care to prosecute, the accused police officer is not to be departmentally inquired into. Now the new Order requires directing not only prosecution but also departmental inquiry. If this is so, the Capt. Supt is to inquire into all complaints - and if the charge is a breach of discipline or neglect of duty, he is to deal with it in accordance with the Police Ordinance. If it is a criminal offence prima facie unconnected with police duty and a case is made out, he should recommend the complainant to prosecute and if the complainant fails to do so, he should himself take out a summons against the accused and try the case. I do not think Mr. Deane is to be blamed for bringing the question before the Board of State. I do not understand that he has refused to obey the ...
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Jaque: We must in this tho ap ensput eus augt 7. In 1873 the then for stong kang finding that the public objected to their complaint against the police being death with to the Cafe" Superintendant tred of the magistrates - ispred being standing ander that when complaints were mad agaand the Police (Except there of a my trifting a complainant should to recommended rature) washind 2 the 4 affly to the Magistrate for a summens a The present 0. A. G. of the advice of the beating attorney fiscal has reccended that order and substituted. J are the investigate the charg an ander that all much complaints 4th Capt. Superintendent and that be proved and he thinks ther portice of the case will I met by the infliction of any of the pumustonents (wy fine up to $425 v emporionment not exceeding 7 days with pepicture has wheel be is a bi to reflect ; seal 16 J of the Schies Ordinance qykite. accordings int he is to deal with the case after warsligation he thinks the case is in what he ought not to interpore he is texplains the mallin to the parties and allows their bo Moeder they think best_ MrDeane the Cept Superintendent objects ti their Arder on the ground that he has no purer under the order to inflict punishments Except for "beach" dicipline in neglect of days, whereas the ander seves to imply that he is to adpredicate upon and of necessary punich for offences of all kinds - and This construction is bome out of the infancy Minute the berlin, attorney general in which dar tekrogst. Expresses his opinion that the Cept. Superintendent Braves memenil may tang peenish police officers for lamery Extention in his hand Reports, (fuel 2) Wekking) hibny Both recurs to Kat mele cases, punished under * 15- аримал 7 a 98 a cuild h (si p.6) 1862 though dir ca dis mipal shrequent happages he only mentions the mode of punishment for & Merian offences I think that Mr Drane is right that he has no fears to inflict find real 43 in his contention or imprisonment under the Ordinance for crimes which cannch le characterized and that di heacher of discipline the new Standing ader or reflect y duty. is open to Mection. saint. On the other hand bir et Kennedyje ander d seems to hair hea understood the Capt. Supt from inquiring the act complained f Courts, to that, if Q4 precluding into complaints where is a matter cognojalle of the complainant does not care constable Exoper prosecute, the accused police oppies but departmental inquing apper now ander required directing not only prosecution If this is so a the Capt. Supt to inquire into all complaints - and heach of discipline or neglect if the charge is THI g y duty to deal with it in sundance with the Police criminal offince prima facie of it is one Ja and unconnected with police duty case is made out he should reemmend the complaisent to prosecute and of the complainan fails to do to should himself take out a commens tried- against the accused Lo 21 & how the case. I do not think Mr. Drone is 4h Hamad for brongice, the question before the Seed of State. I do not understand that he has repened to obey the де e
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Jaque:

We must in this

tho ap

ensput

eus augt 7.

In 1873 the then for stong kang finding that the public objected to their complaint against the police being death with to the Cafe" Superintendant

tred of the magistrates - ispred being standing ander that when complaints were mad agaand the Police (Except there of a my trifting

a complainant should to recommended rature)

washind

2

the

4 affly to the Magistrate for a summens

a

The present 0. A. G. of the advice of the beating attorney fiscal has reccended that order and substituted.

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are the investigate

the charg

an ander that all much complaints 4th Capt. Superintendent and that be proved and he thinks ther portice of the case will I met by the infliction of any of the pumustonents (wy fine up to $425 v

emporionment not

exceeding

7 days with pepicture has wheel be is a bi

to reflect ; seal 16

J

of the Schies Ordinance qykite. accordings int

he is to deal with the case

after warsligation he thinks the case is mé in what he ought not to interpore he is texplains the mallin to the parties and allows their bo Moeder they think best_

MrDeane the Cept Superintendent objects ti their Arder on the ground that he has no purer under the order to inflict punishments Except for "beach" dicipline in neglect of days, whereas the ander seves to imply that he is to adpredicate upon and of necessary punich for offences of all kinds - and This construction is bome out of the infancy Minute the berlin, attorney general in which dar tekrogst.

Expresses his opinion that the Cept. Superintendent

Braves memenil

may tang peenish police officers for lamery Extention in his hand Reports, (fuel 2) Wekking)

hibny

Both recurs to

Kat mele cases,

punished under

* 15-

аримал

7

a

98

a

cuild h (si p.6) 1862 though

dir

ca

dis mipal

shrequent happages he only mentions

the mode of punishment for

& Merian

offences

I think that Mr Drane is right

that he has no fears to inflict find

real

43

in his contention

or imprisonment under

the Ordinance for crimes which cannch le characterized and that

di

heacher of discipline

the new

Standing ader

or

reflect y duty. is open to Mection.

saint. On the other hand bir et Kennedyje ander

d seems to hair hea understood

the Capt. Supt from inquiring the act complained f Courts, to that, if

Q4

precluding

into complaints where is a matter cognojalle of the complainant does not care

constable Exoper

prosecute, the accused police oppies

but departmental inquing

apper now ander required directing

not only prosecution If this is so

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the Capt. Supt to inquire into all complaints - and

heach of discipline or neglect

if

the charge is

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criminal offince

prima facie

of

it is one

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and

unconnected with police duty

case is made out he should reemmend the complaisent to prosecute and of the complainan fails to do to should himself take out a commens tried- against the accused

Lo

21

& how the case.

I do not think Mr. Drone is 4h Hamad

for brongice, the question before the Seed of State. I do not understand that he has repened to obey the

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